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  •  12-11-2008, 2:29 PM 387812

    Federation French Rugby (FFR) are shooting themselves in the foot...

    French rugby suffering from foreign exposure

    12/11/2008 2:36:46 PM
     

    There are so many non-French speaking foreigners at French rugby club Brive that a group of local players have started lessons in the language of Shakespeare.

    For a country that considers the French language as a central pillar to its highly-valued culture, it must be galling for some traditionalists that a group of French rugby players have taken up courses in English.

    But that is the nature of professional rugby union in France, where most top clubs could this season field all-foreign teams.

    There are 207 foreigners from 22 countries plying their trade for Top 14 clubs this term, a startling average of just under 15 per club, and up from just 99 two years ago. There are also 165 in Pro D2, the second division.

    South Africa is the biggest provider of foreign players in the top division with 48. The position which has accommodated most foreigners is props with 43 - three props per club on average.

    At Brive, the foreigners number 24, and the club's new signing at outside-half, Englishman Andy Goode, said French lessons were an essential part of living in France.

    "Learning the language earns you some extra respect," the former Leicester stalwart said. "Plus it helps when it comes to learning backline calls too.

    "But in all honesty, it's not just a club full of Frenchmen and three Englishmen, we've actually got guys from all over the world here: South Africa, Georgia, Wales - there's something like 12 different nationalities at the club."

    Ten of the minority of Frenchmen in the squad demanded their own lessons, in English. Their request was granted and they now receive three hours tuition every week from bilingual teacher Caroline Maupas.

    Next in the list are newly-promoted big spenders Toulon, who have 22 foreigners on their roster, and Montpellier with 20.

    Alarmingly, the weakest-looking clubs in the Top 14 are among those with the fewest foreign recruits.

    Dax, Mont de Marsan and Bourgoin have 10 foreign players apiece, but have only racked up seven wins between them from a combined 27 games so far this season.

    One person concerned at the number of foreigners in French club rugby is national coach Marc Lievremont, who nevertheless approves high-profile signings.

    "Dan Carter's presence, like that of Byron Kelleher and Jerry Collins, is a real plus," Lievremont told Le Figaro in a recent interview.

    "Firstly, it turns the spotlight on our championship, and then, through his application and stature, Carter will bring an added value to his team-mates.

    "But outside of these stars, the Top 14 is bringing in increasing number of foreign players, and obviously French rugby is suffering from this abuse.

    "That certain teams can name up to two-thirds foreigners directly harms the French XV."

    Lievremont said the scenario was a tricky one to solve.

    Many French players go absent from their clubs for weeks on end if they are involved in the national team set-up, meaning under-pressure coaches turn to their foreign legion to fill their gap and maintain results.

    "I suffer in silence when I see the best of France rugby's youngsters kicking their heels on the bench at the expense of an experienced and well-oiled foreign player," lamented the France coach.

    France rugby legend Serge Blanco, president of the French League, also hailed the arrival in December of Carter at Perpignan but called for a cap on lesser foreign players.

    "It's a great tribute for our league," Blanco said of Carter's decision to take a sabbatical from the All Blacks to play in France, adding that the Top 14 was now broadcast in nearly 140 countries.

    "As for the (other) foreigners playing in our league, we must fix a cap to lessen the number and allow a maximum of French players to reach the highest level."

    Blanco said rugby and football chiefs had appealed to the French National Olympic and Sports Committee to take up their demands, which currently run contrary to European law.

    The man doing the bidding will likely be Bernard Laporte, the ministerial secretary of state for sports.

    After a Six Nations defeat to Ireland back in 2001, the former national rugby coach highlighted the proliferation of foreign imports playing in French rugby as hindering the progress of potential international-class backs.

    "Apart from Colomiers and Toulouse all the best clubs have foreigners playing in the centres or at halfback because they are the best in their position," he said at the time.

    Source: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/national/national/sport/french-rugby-suffering-from-foreign-exposure/1358817.aspx

  •  12-11-2008, 2:32 PM 387813 in reply to 387812

    Re: Federation French Rugby (FFR) are shooting themselves in the foot...

    The Federation French Rugby 13 (Rugby League) need to capitalise on the FFR's stupidity.  A good start would be to offer a lifeline to the many French Rugby Union players who are struggling to gain a starting role for their clubs.  Draw them to Rugby League and see how they develop.
  •  12-11-2008, 3:07 PM 387835 in reply to 387813

    Re: Federation French Rugby (FFR) are shooting themselves in the foot...

    England 3 Lions:
    The Federation French Rugby 13 (Rugby League) need to capitalise on the FFR's stupidity.  A good start would be to offer a lifeline to the many French Rugby Union players who are struggling to gain a starting role for their clubs.  Draw them to Rugby League and see how they develop.

    actually many of their juniors are from RL background, but have had the money thrown at them to switch and saty there, There is no way a team like lezignan with $500,000 euros can compete against a sugar dady with "unlimited" pockets.

    BUt what will make them change is the crowds keeping away. Its funny thier average crowds are terrible, 5k or so. If RL were to get a good team in toulouse I think then the perception could change.


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  •  12-11-2008, 3:15 PM 387844 in reply to 387835

    Re: Federation French Rugby (FFR) are shooting themselves in the foot...

    Druzik:

    England 3 Lions:
    The Federation French Rugby 13 (Rugby League) need to capitalise on the FFR's stupidity.  A good start would be to offer a lifeline to the many French Rugby Union players who are struggling to gain a starting role for their clubs.  Draw them to Rugby League and see how they develop.

    actually many of their juniors are from RL background, but have had the money thrown at them to switch and saty there, There is no way a team like lezignan with $500,000 euros can compete against a sugar dady with "unlimited" pockets.

    BUt what will make them change is the crowds keeping away. Its funny thier average crowds are terrible, 5k or so. If RL were to get a good team in toulouse I think then the perception could change.

    The FFR13 need to improve the marketability of their product so they can attract more sponsors.  The RLIF needs to assist them by injecting more funds into French Rugby League.  Ultimately, I'd like to see a few Australian companies invest in the French Elite League.  The ones most likely to do so would be the beer companies.

  •  12-11-2008, 3:36 PM 387859 in reply to 387844

    Re: Federation French Rugby (FFR) are shooting themselves in the foot...

    well first FFR13 needs improve. Let alone their marketability. I'll give you an example. in the second week of december was ment to be the first Elite magice weekend in Toulouse. I was very much looking forward to this. But of course in great French style this was very quietly ditched because many of the teams just couldnt give a damn to all go to one spot for the weekend. So games are on a h/A basis for that round. Great opportunity lost.

    FFR13 however have now managed to secure live coverage od one game a week on Orange TV in France, a great move.

    Again, the RLIF need to exist first before they give anything to the FFR13. As it is the FFR13 are one of the federations that fund the "RLIF" and RLEF, so what they effectively would be funding themselves?

    What would the beer companies get out of it... considering france is not really a beer nation... may wine companies but the french are so patriotic about all things french it hard to see any inroads being amde there.


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  •  12-11-2008, 10:27 PM 388102 in reply to 387859

    Re: Federation French Rugby (FFR) are shooting themselves in the foot...

    We could supply the guns and ammo to hasten their demise, the rotten b's
  •  12-11-2008, 10:34 PM 388109 in reply to 388102

    Re: Federation French Rugby (FFR) are shooting themselves in the foot...

    The idea of enticing frenchmen away from the worlds most boring game back to RL has appeal though! A campaign in the French press highlighting the reasons behind the decline of French R.L.would be productive I believe.In other words appeal to the masses re fair play for RL.a petition to the French government would be a way to go.If RL in France attracts 10000 people per game then...........why not?
  •  13-11-2008, 12:53 AM 388186 in reply to 388109

    Re: Federation French Rugby (FFR) are shooting themselves in the foot...

    was that toulon game where SBW scored his first try a trial match or not cause 3000 in attendance...well isnt that crap??? so wont they lose a bit of money and business men never like losing money. anywayz france were the ones that pushed for a tournament first...its sad to see them with the spoon.

     

    The worlds most boring game is AFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  •  13-11-2008, 9:30 AM 388286 in reply to 388186

    Re: Federation French Rugby (FFR) are shooting themselves in the foot...

    TC Lilo Vaisau II:

    was that toulon game where SBW scored his first try a trial match or not cause 3000 in attendance...well isnt that crap??? so wont they lose a bit of money and business men never like losing money. anywayz france were the ones that pushed for a tournament first...its sad to see them with the spoon.

     

    The worlds most boring game is AFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yep Toulon i SBWs club now.

    The issues with enticing Union players to RL is actually hard to do for one reason. RL is based in small towns of 5-10,000 people. Union is in Big cities. Untill the FFR13 gets teams in Toulouse, Montpellier Marsielle or Paris competeing and regularly doing well and earning money then it wont happen. Like I mentione dbefore a team of say Lezignans stature where they have a budget of 500,000 euros on players a year and a population of about 10,000 cannot compete againt Union cities where sugar dadys are willing to throw 10 million euros on 40 odd players, where the city life in say Toulouse with 2 million people is much more enticing.


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  •  13-11-2008, 4:11 PM 388377 in reply to 387859

    Re: Federation French Rugby (FFR) are shooting themselves in the foot...

    Druzik:

    well first FFR13 needs improve. Let alone their marketability. I'll give you an example. in the second week of december was ment to be the first Elite magice weekend in Toulouse. I was very much looking forward to this. But of course in great French style this was very quietly ditched because many of the teams just couldnt give a damn to all go to one spot for the weekend. So games are on a h/A basis for that round. Great opportunity lost.

    FFR13 however have now managed to secure live coverage od one game a week on Orange TV in France, a great move.

    Again, the RLIF need to exist first before they give anything to the FFR13. As it is the FFR13 are one of the federations that fund the "RLIF" and RLEF, so what they effectively would be funding themselves?

    What would the beer companies get out of it... considering france is not really a beer nation... may wine companies but the french are so patriotic about all things french it hard to see any inroads being amde there.

    I suppose the Queensland Government might be interested in promoting its tourist resorts to the French public.

  •  13-11-2008, 6:50 PM 388462 in reply to 388377

    Re: Federation French Rugby (FFR) are shooting themselves in the foot...

    The French drink plenty of beer. It's what younger people drink in bars, same as anywhere.
  •  14-11-2008, 8:05 AM 388653 in reply to 388462

    Re: Federation French Rugby (FFR) are shooting themselves in the foot...

    French R.L.was crippled by right wing politics,the solution imop is to fight fire with fire, there are a lot of French people who would embrace the idea of giving *** a kick in the cods! Dont forget that R.L. was the game played in Universities all over France before 1942What is needed is a journalistic French speaking R.L. fan to write to the editors of the largest circulation newspapers in France outlining the history.
  •  19-11-2008, 9:20 AM 391811 in reply to 387812

    How to structure future rugby league world cups...?

    Your idea is a very good one, although you contradict yourself by listing yur 16 teams while excluding your Germany Russia SAm Lebanon list from it

    The gaps between 1 & 3 & 5 are simply too big to make it a sensible & exciting competition.

    These are the top two proposals for future world cups:

    Either A) split the top three nations up into a Team Greater Yorkshire, a Team Greater Lancashire, a Team Midlands and South, a Team NZ North Bay, a Team NZ Central, a Team NZ South island, a team NSW teens (all aged under 20 at the time the qualifying rounds start), a team NSW twens, a team NSW seniors (all aged 30 & over at the time of the finals tournament), Queensland teens, twens and seniors, and a team for each other Australian state & territory & each other country or autnomous area in the world. 20 teams qualify (12 from the Pacific group & 8 from the Euro-afro-west-asian group), five groups of 4 - the group winners are joined in the quarter-finals by the three winners of round four (played by the 5 2nd-placed teams and one best third).

    B) reduce it down to 8 teams: Aus, NZ, Eng, rest of EU, PNG,  Fij, rest of Oceania, rest of the world.

    or C) one team per country (maybe two from Australia, one U28, one 28yrs/o+), ladder system, 12 teams qualify for the world cup. Round one = the opportunity for underdogs to leapfrog up with a big upset or for big-guns to go up one rung with a particularly big margin of win:  Seeds 6v7, 1v8, 2v9, 3v10, 4v11, 5v12.

    Round two = 1v2 (the highest placed round one winner 1v8 versus best one of 2-4 by margin of win). (>) 3v4; > 5v6; …; 

    in round three: W1vW2 > W3vL1 > W4vL2, …;

    in round four: L1vW2 > L2vW3 > L3vW4, …. & a handicap match between W1 and the bottom 3 teams (with an extra man on and with extra substitutions) – if this handicap match is played, it can decide who wins the round 4 Gold Medal match in the event of a draw, or it can even give one of the teams a 1 points head start;   

    Round 5 (final round): W1vW(A) for 1st place > L(A)vW(B) for 3rd > L(B)vW(C) for 5th > L(C)vW(D) for 7th, … 

     

    It is a system of evenly matched and unpredictable matches, in which teams that win move up a notch/rung to play teams that lost the chance to move up themselves and thus have moved down a notch/rung.

    Six teams can still win going into round two and 8 can win bronze in the above  (which gives ALL the teams five rounds of play OR only those who are still in with a chance of finishing in the top 3or5 play in the final two rounds).

     

     

     

  •  23-11-2008, 12:09 AM 393713 in reply to 388653

    Re: Federation French Rugby (FFR) are shooting themselves in the foot...

    That's a bloody good idea magaoidh.wht don't you look at doing some thing like that mate.I never knew any of that *** happened in RL france.It's a shame that league hasn't been treated fairly over there.I hope 3Lions is right about the state of union beacause i think that it would be an incentive for younger Frenchmen to try their hand at league instead of union.What's the use of them playing in teams that are packed with foreigners who are keeping them on the benches or just in the squads,and hardly getting games.Some one better do something to help out the league over there.It's probably a good time for league to be working on that i think.The French national side and their depth must be getting thin with all the imports playing in that comp.I have to go with the idea of exposing all the wrongs against league in france.Get the journalist,do the research, and let the whole world know aout it.Got nothing to lose.

  •  23-11-2008, 5:17 AM 393860 in reply to 393713

    Re: Federation French Rugby (FFR) are shooting themselves in the foot...

    I dont speak French, how about Druzik?

    I watched the Frogs play the Wannabees on replay, fell asleep and missed the exciting bits I think.

      Geez with the money the Frogs spend on their Nazi Union you would think they could do better!

      Nazi Union the game they play in Hell!

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